2-Stroke Stuart marine engine possibly?

Discussion in 'Identification' started by steammad, Mar 23, 2013.

  1. steammad

    steammad New Member

    I acquired this small two stroke engine in a lot consisting of various bits and pieces at a local auction. It looks like a Stuart marine engine of some sort. It has a water jacket around the cylinder with indications of an external water tank/hopper. The engine is fitted with a small Lister carburettor and a small ML magneto. In the timing case, there are 3 chain drive pulleys. One from the crankshaft, one from the magneto and one from what looks to be a governor. The engine's flywheel is a solid disk on a tapered diameter to fit the crankshaft which is also tapered.
    The engine has no markings on it except for the Lister Carburettor and the ML magneto. There are no casting numbers or engine number plates. The only markings there is are on the inside of the brackets resembling feet for the engine. The word "ODINGHAM" is cast into the brackets. This looks as though it's just the name of the supplier of the barcket.

    Images of the engine in a rather partly assembled fashion: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thesweatyhotdogco/
     
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  3. Numpty1

    Numpty1 Member

    Well, I would guess this is a Lister badged engine? Possibly American in origin??
    The word ODINGHAM is part of the wording Appleby Frodingham, showing where the steel was produced, at Scunthorpe, now one of our last major steel plants still in use.
     
  4. chas

    chas Member

    I believe that this is in fact a Lister experimental engine. Very few were built. In the late 1980's, Ken Bridge managed to get one from an ex employee of Listers (photograph below). I am sure David Harris or David Edgington wrote an article on them in SEM. A rare find. If it were me I would write to David Edgington.

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    Dave
    Philippines
     
  5. steammad

    steammad New Member

    Well, the engine being a Lister was somewhat of a surprise! I have never seen an engine like it before and the engine in the photograph is a particularly nice example.
    I think I will get in contact with David Edgington. He doesn't live that much of a distance from where I am.
    I'm thinking about the restoration of the engine. Should I undertake the project?

    Also, I think that the cylindrical object which sits between the crankcase and magneto is the governor. If anyone could provide any information on how this is linked to the carburettor or how it works then it would be much appreciated. If anyone knows which SEM issue the article was in then that too would be much appriciated.
     
  6. Skankin_giant

    Skankin_giant Well-Known Member

    Very nice indeed, my type of Lister... A 2 stroke one!

    Quite similar to a Stuart N isn't it.

    Cheers Steve
     
  7. Numpty1

    Numpty1 Member

    Thought I had seen something about a rare Lister.
    Its your engine and do with it as you please but as there is already one nicely restored example, I'd be inclined to keep the original paintwork on yours. Not only that but original paint engines are all the rage at the moment, if you do decide to part with it, I think you would get as much for it as it stands, just my humble opinion of course.
    You can see some of the linkage for the governor in the photo above.
     
  8. Numpty1

    Numpty1 Member

    Thought I had seen something about a rare Lister.
    Its your engine and do with it as you please but as there is already one nicely restored example, I'd be inclined to keep the original paintwork on yours. Not only that but original paint engines are all the rage at the moment, if you do decide to part with it, I think you would get as much for it as it stands, just my humble opinion of course.
    You can see some of the linkage for the governor in the photo above.
     
  9. steammad

    steammad New Member

    I've decided to undertake the light restoration of the engine. I will only carry out the neccessary work to get the engine running in order to preserve it in its current state. I'm not much of a painter anyway.

    There isn't much work to do on the engine. Work that needs to be completed include new magneto points and plate, magneto cover, spark plug head and lead, a new gasket between the carburettor and cylinder, new linkage between the governor and carburettor, connection to and from the external water tank to the water jacket, new exhaust and manifold, linking up the pipework from the fuel tank to the carburettor and I think that's about it!

    Information needed!
    How is the fuel tank connected to the carburettor? (the carburettor has two connections for external pipe work)
    Again how is the governor linked to the carburettor?
    How is the engine started? (spinning of the flywheel?)
    Does anyone know what points are needed for the magneto- ML type A I think?

    Recent images of the engine: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thesweatyhotdogco/
    Thanks, Dan.
     
  10. Victoria

    Victoria Member

    Dan,

    That's a very intereresting and rare small engine. David Edgington researched the Lister two-stroke some years ago. I feel sure he would be interested in your find although not a forum user himself. If 'chas' (Dave) agrees, please send him the image of the late Ken Bridges' red engine as well as the images of your own and it will be sure to gain his interest. Send by email only, please respect his privacy, as in the unwritten rule of SEM readers. <enginbooks@aol,com>. This way you will be certain to get a reply and most likely the engine will get a mention in a future issue of SEM, thus reaching a worldwide audience of which 'someone' will know even more.

    Eric
     
  11. steammad

    steammad New Member

    Eric,

    You have given me vital advice there. I shall get into contact with chas and send him some information and see what I can get back.

    Thanks, Dan.
     
  12. Victoria

    Victoria Member

    Excellent, David will be keen to hear from you. Its great when these unusual engines turn up. Personally I suspect it was a trial engine made under licence like the G series was and which was licensed from Le Roi. The M-L magneto smacks of Lister. Then Lister lost interest or the market was not there and they dropped it. That's just my thoughts, not gospel but its most likely.
    Worth restoring certainly. Am certain Dave will be happy for SEM to use his excellent photo to add to your own as seen on this forum.

    Eric
     
  13. chas

    chas Member

    Only too pleased for the photograph to be used.

    Dave
    Philippines
     
  14. steammad

    steammad New Member

    Brilliant. So I should now contact David Edgington?

    Thanks, Dan
     
  15. Victoria

    Victoria Member

    Certainly, you have his email address

    Eric
     
  16. steammad

    steammad New Member

    The email address doesn't work. Does anyone have an address that will work?

    Thanks, Dan.
     
  17. Victoria

    Victoria Member

  18. grimlysheepish

    grimlysheepish New Member

    hello steammad and chas, I also have one of these 2 stroke engines and have been trying to identify it. Took it to astle park a few years ago but no one knew what it was. It has been running in the past but it needs a few things sorting out.
     
  19. steammad

    steammad New Member

    Eric,

    I shall try that then thanks!

    Grimlysheepish,

    Good to hear that you also own one of these engines. Would you be able to post a picture of your engine?
    If there is any information you need etc. then we shall try our best to help you.

    Thanks, Dan.
     
  20. grimlysheepish

    grimlysheepish New Member

    Steammad,

    I will sort out a pic as soon as I can. (might be a while)

    grimlysheepish.
     

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