Maker's mark?

Discussion in 'Identification' started by petternut, Feb 19, 2011.

  1. petternut

    petternut Administrator

    I've just cleaned up an old Petter Wineglass oiler and found a feature on the lid which is new to me. Its looks like a bird on a branch within a cicle of 7/16" dia. Its faint and won't photograph.
    I'm fairly sure that early Petter Ms were fitted with brassware from R*S but I don't recognise the bird symbol.
    Any ideas?

    thanks
    Roland
     
  2. goodchip

    goodchip Member

    Roland,The early VFs were fitted with 'Tip-Top' 5 onz oilers. I don't know who made them.Same type as the Handyman and Standard engine used. Are these the ones you mean? I have never seen a bird on them,there maybe a French connection, I have always wanted to find out who made them. I think the later 20s Ms oilers were made by Rotherhams? John
     
  3. petternut

    petternut Administrator

    John
    I've taken pics as best I can. As you can see the oiler is a standard wineglass as used 1923-1932 and came on a 3hp M bracket: http://www.petternut.co.uk/wineglass.jpg

    The mark is not clear but it still looks to me like a bird on a branch. I have never seen this mark on another Petter oiler: http://www.petternut.co.uk/lid.jpg

    As far as I know R*S is Rotherhams and Petter certainly used their bits on early VFs. e.g the brass spring loaded greaser.

    regards
    Roland
     
  4. Numpty1

    Numpty1 Member

    As usual Roland you are absolutely correct R*S is the logo of Rotherham and Sons. See Graces Guide for a description and have a look at this logo, could the centre part be your logo? The picture is too indistint for me to see.

    http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/images/9/9 ... erham2.jpg

    Mark
     
  5. goodchip

    goodchip Member

    Well there you have it,very interesting thanks chaps.
     
  6. goodchip

    goodchip Member

    Just a thought Mark,any info on Tip-Top? Thanks
     
  7. petternut

    petternut Administrator

    Mark
    Many thanks. Well spotted and the 1943 ad on the Rotherhams page confirms it.
    If anyone has a Rotherhams catalogue we could probably prove Petters bought all their brass from that Co.

    thanks
    Roland
     
  8. lambe

    lambe Member

    I thought they were still in business, they might be able to help?
     
  9. Numpty1

    Numpty1 Member

    I expect that may well be the case and Petters were probably a good enough customer that Rotherhams would have supplied goods without their logo on. That odd batches appeared with logos is down to 'demand v stock' over the years.
     
  10. Numpty1

    Numpty1 Member

    I know this is stretching this thread but interesting to see the bit in the latest SEM on Stuart Turner engines. Appears they used Rotherhams float chambers for the early open crank engines.

    Mark
     
  11. petternut

    petternut Administrator

    I also have evidence that the small brass Lister fuel cap/fittings were Rotherhams.
    Its really surprising just how much the earlier makers did farm out. It's nothing new.

    Yesterday I cleaned the crankcase drain tap for the same engine as the wineglass oiler. Lo and behold the hex is stamped R&S. So taking Mark's point this suggests that Petter or Rotherhams ran stocks too low around Christmas 1927. Probably just caught out by a substantial order in the depths of the Depression.

    regards
    Roland
     

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